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reno cool

leave well enough alone
I like an underdog mr.M. :shocktheworld:

First Roseanne now this guy. Amirite Xpy? You never used to see things like this
 

Mudcat

Yer goddamn right!
I flipped on my TV and Pro Bowling was on. I watched for a little bit.

It brought back memories. I used to watch a fair bit of Pro Bowling. A ways back. I knew all the major players.

That seems weird to me now.
 

Matty

Toe Toucher
Is Joe Thornton a hall of famer? Let's assume he retires within a season or two and the Sharks fail to win a Cup.

I want to say yes, but. He doesn't have a point per game. He doesn't have 500 goals.

He has a Hart and Art Ross in the same season (2005-06). That's it as far as NHL achievements.

But he also has a comically large beard and a pleasant personality.

Call me stupid but I think these last two assets are gonna work in his favor.

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Mudcat

Yer goddamn right!
Yeah, no doubt. Joe Thornton is going to the Hall of Fame. Slam dunk.

While no Stanley Cups, he does have an Olympic Gold Medal as well as two World Cup Gold Medals.

I realize that means more to me than a lot of people but it's the Hockey HOF, not just the NHL HOF. Those Gold medals are a huge accomplishment. Making one best-on-best Team Canada is tough enough, never mind being a mainstay for over a decade. And you still have to win - which he did three times.

He was an elite player for a good long time - and a champion.

Even without the international stuff, he's still an HOF'er. The HHOF is possibly the least fussy of the HOF's. They aren't going to keep out a guy with 1500 points in the NHL. No way.



Now should they be more fussy? And who is in that shouldn't be?

There's a discussion.
 

Matty

Toe Toucher
Yeah, I mostly wanted to use his beard as a punchline there. Although I'll remember the Thorton-era Sharks as a consistently inept playoff team. It's not all on him, obviously.

Marcel Dionne is often mentioned as another HOFer who doesn't have a Cup, but with 731 career NHL goals, whatever point you think you can make by bringing up his name is going to sound pretty stupid.
 

Mudcat

Yer goddamn right!
Mike Gartner is HOFer with 700 goals I would not have voted for.

I like the guy - but he was never, at any point, a top 20 player in the league. He was a consistent next-level player with some longevity in a high-scoring era. For me, a HOFer needs to be one of the best at something for a good length of time.

Dionne was definitely a top player in his day.

Counting Cups is a dubious thing anyway, particularly in hockey. That's how guys like Clark Gillies and Guy Lapointe get in. I don't wanna say they were just passengers on dynasty teams - they had value - respectable players - but if they had spent their careers with the Oakland Seals, they ain't in no HOF.
 

Matty

Toe Toucher
I can see a case for it. The top guys/gals are actual athletes. And I'd rather watch breakdancing than ice dance which is already an Olympic thing.
 

Mudcat

Yer goddamn right!
I voted no on the breakdancing-in-the-Olympics question.

I mean, it's no worse than about 18 other kinds of dance that I could name. Baton twirling.

But personally, I would like the Olympics to focus on reducing, not expanding. JMO.
 
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