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Even Switzerland. :endoftheworld:


A Swiss man has shot dead several people in the region of Valais after opening fire in a public area. Police on the scene were able to disarm the man and take him into custody.
Late Wednesday in the Swiss of village of Daillon, police moved swiftly to the scene of the crime where they found the gunman still armed. Officers then exchanged gunfire with the man, whom they wounded and then took into custody, according to a statement issued by the Swiss police early Thursday morning.
"Several injured people [were] lying on the ground," when they arrived. The statement added that "three victims died at the scene. Two other people were wounded and hospitalized."
The motive behind the attack - which took place around 9 p.m. (20.00 GMT) - remained unclear.
New agencies relying on the website 20 Minutes Online described the assailant as a man around the age of 30 and a resident of the village, located near the French and Italian borders. He was reportedly intoxicated prior to the shooting. 20 Minutes Online said he used an assault rifle.
Switzerland ranks third in the rate of gun ownership in the world, with an estimated 3,400,000 guns in a country with a population of around eight million.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18773158

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I want a 15-round MR9 Eagle. Ima terrorize squirrels and racoons.

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What fascinates me is the public's ability to advance a forcible outcry on one perceived danger while turning a blind eye to another perhaps equally dangerous and equally preventable murderer - drunken driving.

I realize that often gun advocates advance this theory that automobiles are more dangerous than guns because their operation results in anywhere from 100-200% more deaths. I do not adhere to that misleading notion and I don't make it here. The utility gains from automobile travel far outweigh the cost in human life. No question.

However, if you look at the number of deaths from firearm homicides - ~11493 and compare it to the deaths from impaired (mostly drunk) driving - ~10228 you can't help but notice they are remarkably similar. Yet, where is the outcry for outlawing of spirits? The outcry for even stricter DWI laws, even zero tolerance? There seems to be none! Indeed, as states continue to loosen the collar on recreation drugs we may see the numbers rise with little or no way to enforce impaired driving laws. The fact of the matter is a stoned driver is WORSE than a sober driver and there is little law enforcement can do to stop these people.

If we look at both of these very real killers - DRUNKEN driving and firearms we must weigh the costs and benefits of each. The cost side is very much the same, about 11000 lives per year in the US. What about the benefit? Firearms? For the overwhelming majority of gun owners these provide enjoyment through recreation, sustenance though hunting, safety though active defense, peace of mind though passive defense, and although it is often discounted they contribute to a real freedom that American citizens be equals with the officers of our government (mainly police officers).

The question then becomes, what BENEFIT is derived from impaired driving?
 
Boner, good use of paragraphs. Plommeur will be proud.
 
gtfo. Drunk driving laws are ridiculously strict. I don't know how more strict they can be. Mandatory hanging on 1st offense?

And how do you figure that there is no benefit to (slightly)drunk driving? Liquor sales has to be the #1 industry in the city. How about bars, restaurants? What % of people drive home?
 
MonkeyF0cker
Liquor the #1 industry?

Huh?
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I think he means no one will be going to bars, casinos, restaurants, sporting events etc if they can't drink because they can't drive back home.
 
They can't take cabs/buses/limos/helicopters/call a sober friend/spouse like responsible adults?
 
MonkeyF0cker
They can't take cabs/buses/limos/helicopters like responsible adults?
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Cabs are not available in all cities. Atlanta has maybe 30 cabs and the last train or bus is before midnight. Smaller cities don't even have cabs or buses. Have you ever lived in a city less than 50,000 and looked for a cab or bus at 2 am?
 
I've found that cities with less than 50,000 people can be walked across in 5 minutes.
 
Cabs are available in most every city. If you can't flag one, call the company and they'll send one.

Yes, it's a huge inconvenience to call a cab and not kill someone.
 
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I've found that cities with less than 50,000 people can be walked across in 5 minutes.
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Go ahead and walk at 2 am tonight in 5 degree weather. Who needs cars?
 
Point is people drive after having a drink all the time. And they should be able to. That's not to say you're gonna kill someone or drive hammered. You're probably already breaking the law if you're driving after even 1 drink. There is/was an outcry over drunk driving.
 
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