Do Americans really believe they live in the freest country on earth?

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Susan - beat it you knob jockey!!!

this is quite funny Plommy! And who is this Fig dude?

If any American believes your thread title, they haven't left the US. Or if they have their journey has consisted of organised tours or a week's stay on a beach in the Caribbean. I can name so many things I love about the US but having any sense of freedom in comparison to the rest of the world definitely isn't on the list. :)
 
figured out who Fig was... how do people manage to power post with 2 accounts simultaneously?

skills yo
 
Oksana
Susan - beat it you knob jockey!!!

this is quite funny Plommy! And who is this Fig dude?

If any American believes your thread title, they haven't left the US. Or if they have their journey has consisted of organised tours or a week's stay on a beach in the Caribbean. I can name so many things I love about the US but having any sense of freedom in comparison to the rest of the world definitely isn't on the list. :)
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You have traveled far more than I. What freedoms do you see in other countries that US citizens don't have? I guess when I think of freedoms that the US offers over some countries are the ability to get an education, womens rights, the right to vote, religion, organize.
 
More like unfreest country and worst country ever.

I'm praying along with plommer, that it gets burned to the ground ASAP.
 
I regret starting this thread.

Intent was to point out the fallacy of American propaganda on how the country considers itself the leader of the free world and the envy of every nation on the planet. America has more problems than many other 1st world nations, I see Canadian leaders wanting to be more like the USA and find it disturbing, for all of the things America has that does well there are many other things they lag behind other countries on.

Last thing Plommer wants is for Canada to follow the USA's lead.

America, get over yourself, you're not that great.


Still have American friends and some of my favourite people are Yanks.
 
Your fallacy was generalizing that everyone thought that way, just because thats what you saw on TV.
 
What is this all about? I'm free to do whatever I want in this country. Like today I played whirlyball. Not many countries in the world that you are free to play whirlyball.
 
betplom
I regret starting this thread.

Intent was to point out the fallacy of American propaganda on how the country considers itself the leader of the free world and the envy of every nation on the planet. America has more problems than many other 1st world nations, I see Canadian leaders wanting to be more like the USA and find it disturbing, for all of the things America has that does well there are many other things they lag behind other countries on.

Last thing Plommer wants is for Canada to follow the USA's lead.

America, get over yourself, you're not that great.


Still have American friends and some of my favourite people are Yanks.
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Who is the leader of the free world in your opinion?

If not the US, why do countries run to the US for help first?
 
FairWarning
Who is the leader of the free world in your opinion?

If not the US, why do countries run to the US for help first?
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There is no such thing as leader of free world, only people that have heard of that crap are people unfortunate enough to have US network broadcasts on their televisions.

More countries require protection from the US than by the US.

The US is/was an economic powerhouse and they use that power to create greater wealth and power for US corporations and the US government by exploiting weaker poorer nations. The USA does little if anything for philanthropic reasons.

I happen to live in a country that has benefitted from the early financial success of the USA.

The US is a bully nation that tries to pass itself off as a do good nation interested in whats best for all.
I don't believe the crap, it's all about money.
 
Just ask yourself plommer. Why do all the major transactions in the whole universe are done in US dollar whether they are commodities or contraband? Without the US dollar all other currencies collapse. And guess what? We own the printing machines and we can print as much as we want to. That's how you can tell who is the leader of the world.
 
FairWarning
If not the US, why do countries run to the US for help first?
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It's typically the US that runs to provide "aid" to foreign countries to quell any kind of non-capitalist movement.

Cuba is such a dangerous nation.
 
Saulty
Just ask yourself plommer. Why do all the major transactions in the whole universe are done in US dollar whether they are commodities or contraband? Without the US dollar all other currencies collapse. And guess what? We own the printing machines and we can print as much as we want to. That's how you can tell who is the leader of the world.
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:lol:
 
Matty
It's typically the US that runs to provide "aid" to foreign countries to quell any kind of non-capitalist movement.

Cuba is such a dangerous nation.
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Strategically yes, but that's it. Economic sanctions have crippled them for years. The US has helped countries who don't have the same agenda as us also.
 
betplom
There is no such thing as leader of free world, only people that have heard of that crap are people unfortunate enough to have US network broadcasts on their televisions.

More countries require protection from the US than by the US.

The US is/was an economic powerhouse and they use that power to create greater wealth and power for US corporations and the US government by exploiting weaker poorer nations. The USA does little if anything for philanthropic reasons.

I happen to live in a country that has benefitted from the early financial success of the USA.

The US is a bully nation that tries to pass itself off as a do good nation interested in whats best for all.
I don't believe the crap, it's all about money.
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All power countries do those things thrughout history.
 
FairWarning
You have traveled far more than I. What freedoms do you see in other countries that US citizens don't have? I guess when I think of freedoms that the US offers over some countries are the ability to get an education, womens rights, the right to vote, religion, organize.
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I'm probably the worst one to ask because since I've left there all the countries I've lived in are quite progressive. Except Australia a bit. The majority of the country wants the legalisation of gay marriage yet it still hasn't been passed and they don't 'do' referendums here so we're stuck at the moment.

But I wanted to think about this a bit before giving a response to you because you deserve something more than a generic and flippant answer about gambling, kids getting visited by the FBI for posting political videos or US citizens having to face internal checkpoints in California. I also wanted to make sure that I wasn't just reacting off the cuff and that I what I had thought to be true was indeed based in fact. So I did some research. The TSA and those tracking chips of kids in Texas was the first thing that came to mind when I initially responded. But I didn't know that they have now been granted the ability to use those powers outside of airports and that the President can now order searches without a warrant. I *did* know that people can be detained secretly and indefinitely... I didn't know that the President now has the power to decide if someone receives a regular or military trial. I also didn't know that Obama extended GWB's order that the Government can use GPS to track suspicious citizens. The fact that warrants are no longer required and that I also learned that Obama extended GWB's 'extraordinary rendition' policy is quite frightening. I actually wish I'd done this specific research before I mailed in my vote...still wouldn't have voted for Romney but I'm not sure I would've voted for Obama either now.

I think for the average middle class, white American who has/will someday have 2.3 kids, live in suburbia, maybe attend church, whatever then yeah this doesn't matter much. They'll never experience those things fingers crossed. And I put myself in that category. But I think with all of the benefits of venturing out to live in other countries may be a downside is that you're almost forced to see another view of a place you once called home, wherever that may be. People who aren't patriotic or feel any allegiance to a country have no issue with coldly laying out the facts. Happens to the US, to Australia, to the UK, etc. On the whole though, I still think the US is one of the best countries of which I've had the privilege of living. I did a little happy dance in the LAX Virgin lounge when we landed and another girl joined in because she was about to hop a flight to see her boyfriend in Louisiana after over a year apart. It was awesome - we were both just so happy to be inside the US after a long time away! However I think there is a very big nanny state culture that has been happening there that's progressively getting worse despite 9/11 being over 10yrs ago. Just my take as an outsider who again probably would never be affected by this stuff more than the occasional airport hassle anyway. :)
 
But I'm just getting started.

Word is born
Fight the war, fuck the norm
Now I got no patience
So sick of complacence
With the D the E the F the I the A the N the C the E
Mind of a revolutionary
So clear the lane
The finger to the land of the chains
What?
The land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy

 
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