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Bay Bud
hey dark horse, er, i mean pavy, your latest conspiracy theory would hold more water if the associated press was indeed part of the bcs calculations.

alabama was nothing more than a 'wild card' in the mix this season. we've seen teams that haven't won their divisions win it all on the pro level, why not at the college level? the bcs formula isn't really that complicated. sure, there might be simpler ways to arrive at the same ending, but the bcs has done its job since it started, and that was to put the no. 1 and no. 2 teams against each other in a single bowl game. alabama was certainly a better team than any 2nd-place squad in any other conference, the pac-12 perhaps having the only possible argument to make against that opinion of mine.

the biggest injustice this year was what took place in the sugar and orange bowls. there's not a viable argument to make for the big east having a team in the bcs bowls either of the past two seasons, at least none based on talent and performance on the field, and boise state was a team left out that should've taken the place of one from the trio of west virginia/va tech/michigan.
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http://gamelive.com/forum/member.php/52-Dark-Horse
 
Playoff System:

Instead of a championship game for each conference the best 4 teams are seeded 1 to 4 and play semifinal and final championship game. Now the winners of each conference make 11 teams. Then you add 1 at large team either from the Independents or a team with the best record that lost a championship game. Now you have your 12 team playoff. Teams are seeded 1 to 12 based on strength of schedule (not polls and the other crap they have now). 5 to 12 play first round of playoffs. Now you are down to 8 and you play quarter-finals, semi-finals and the final game. Conference playoffs and championship games and first round of playoffs (3 games) can be done the last week of November and first two weeks of December. Then you give them 3 weeks off for finals and holidays. And then in January you do the last round of playoffs with the last 8 teams in 3 games. Now each Bowl can bid on which playoff game they want to host. It's not rocket science. Even an engineer from a country that doesn't have football can figure it out.
 
Pavy
Even an engineer from a country that doesn't have football can figure it out.
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would this be the same engineer who "figured out" that i was both the prick and chance harper a few years back? i might lose, but i'd bet 100:1 that less than 2 percent of the current FBS schools would go for what you've "figured out."

Pavy
The Pros play 16 regular and 3-4 playoff games as well as 4 pre-season games. College only play 12 with one cupcake vs a team from FCS.
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the nfl also works much differently than college football, so i assume you're suggesting there be a draft to determine who has to attend school and play their college football where? the nfl also works under a salary cap restriction. since we know college football players aren't paid (wink-wink), will all colleges now maintain the same minimum academic requirements before a high school kid is even eligible for the college football draft?

there is also very rigidly set criteria in the nfl for determining next year's schedule for a given nfl team and within a given division/conference. so again i ask, who is going to set the schedules that all college football teams will have to adhere? good luck with that one. unlike the nfl where all teams in the afc south play by the same rules and standards as teams in the nfc north, you're dealing with conferences that are each different, with their own set of rules/standards, and currently in a very volatile state given how teams are jumping all over the map.

by the way, bill hancock and his group of 'they' -- bcs officials, 11 conference commissioners plus the notre dame athletic director -- are meeting right now to discuss possible tweaking to the current system. who knows if anything will change, or when any changes might take place, but they are going allegedly put the "plus-one" modification on the table. i think it's got a very good chance to get worked out, and just like the sec sorta' initiated the present system 20 years ago, isn't it ironic that an all-sec bcs title game might lead to making things even better.

you can bet that among the 'they' who are being represented and have a voice in these meetings, current rose/fiesta/sugar/orange bowl fat cats as well as at least one person with knowledge of how much money television might add to what is essentially a final 4 for college football is on hand. i realize that money is not a concerning factor in that utopian society known as pavy world, but in the real world, money is, was and always be the bottom line.
 
Pavy
Teams are seeded 1 to 12 based on strength of schedule (not polls and the other crap they have now).
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i realize this is just one such poll, but here are the top 12 sos numbers from this past year:

1 Kansas 5.13400
2 Mississippi 5.21761
3 Oklahoma 5.24253
4 Texas A&M 5.25173
5 Auburn 5.28066
6 Texas 5.29204
7 Tennessee 5.37419
8 Oklahoma State 5.39256
9 LSU 5.40659
10 Arizona 5.44865
11 Iowa State 5.48586
12 UCLA 5.49390

http://www.gberatings.com/sos/
 
Bay Bud
i realize this is just one such poll, but here are the top 12 sos numbers from this past year:

1 Kansas 5.13400
2 Mississippi 5.21761
3 Oklahoma 5.24253
4 Texas A&M 5.25173
5 Auburn 5.28066
6 Texas 5.29204
7 Tennessee 5.37419
8 Oklahoma State 5.39256
9 LSU 5.40659
10 Arizona 5.44865
11 Iowa State 5.48586
12 UCLA 5.49390

http://www.gberatings.com/sos/
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The strength of schedule is only determined to seed the 11 conference champions who have won their conference using the two game conference playoff.
 
IMO any kind of playoff would be great! The Sub Division for years has had a 16 team playoff that seems to have worked well!

Pavy's example sounds very good IMO but even a 4 team or 8 team playoff would be better than what they have! Of course in these 2 scenarios teams 5,6,7 and 9, 10, 11 will be pissed but so are teams 65, 66, 67 in the B-ball tourney!
 
Death to the BCS playoff format is the ACC, BE, B10, B12, CUSA, MAC, MW, Pac 12, SEC, Sun Belt, WAC champions with 5 at large for a 16-team playoff. 1st round played at campus sites, then use the higher bowls for the remainder. Bowls are a total scam and many schools lose money on them. Va Tech lost their ass as they had to buy 17,500 tix they couldn't move. Preparation time will be less as you are only practicing for the next week and not a month from now, now the student-athlete can attend class. The other smaller bowls can still exist, make them some sort of Football NIT.
 
Bay Bud
the biggest injustice this year was what took place in the sugar and orange bowls. there's not a viable argument to make for the big east having a team in the bcs bowls either of the past two seasons, at least none based on talent and performance on the field, and boise state was a team left out that should've taken the place of one from the trio of west virginia/va tech/michigan.
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According to the BcS, it was not an injustice - their only goal is to have 1 vs 2. How the BE gets an automatic qualifier is a joke. The Mountain West has been better than the BE for the last 5 years.

Meanwhile, Monday's game was the lowest rated in the 14-year history of this format, good.
 
Pavy
The strength of schedule is only determined to seed the 11 conference champions who have won their conference using the two game conference playoff.
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right, my point was two-fold; a) you're still going to have to use some sort of rankings, and b) using this sos, okie state would've been seeded no. 1, and i don't know anyone this season that would've thought the cowboys should be seeded above lsu.

FairWarning
Va Tech lost their ass as they had to buy 17,500 tix they couldn't move.
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if you think they had trouble moving x-number of tickets with a month to do it this time, wait until a school and its fans have all of a week to make plans to travel cross-country to a playoff bowl. besides, the reason va tech got selected in the first place to play in the sugar was hokies fans travel well. va tech could have declined, if it was going to be such a hardship on the school.

with 16 teams, you're talking 15 games. the first eight, as you have it, wouldn't have much trouble selling out at home sites, but try getting eight schools to show up in force to four neutral sites the very next week, then four of those same groups having to come up with the money to show up the week after that followed by the final two teams meeting.

a final four, or plus-one change to present, would at least be easier to get their fans to the game. the semifinals could be played around dec. 15-18, then have about three weeks before a jan. 7-9 game championship game.

it's easy to think of a system that takes 8 or 16 teams, but you guys are totally forgetting about the logistics in the whole setup, and the upper-tier bowls are directly tied to attendance, filling hotels, packing restaurants and bars, etc. where the hell do you think the fiesta/rose/orange/sugar and others come up with the payouts they offer?
 
BB,

For the logistics part it will help if each stadium hosts 2 games per weekend in the early playoff rounds. So for 5-12 seeds you chose 2 cities and each city hosts 2 games one on a Friday and one on Saturday. So for example you can have 2 games at the Georgia Dome involving Midwest/Eastern teams and 2 games at the Cowboys Stadium involving Texas/Western teams. So even if you fill up half the stadiums each night you get the equivalent of a soldout for a single game and you get hotel rooms etc from 4 teams fans.
 
go tell jerry jones you are going to have two games at his playground and only fill the stadium to half-capacity, and then ask him how much money he's willing to pay the four schools that are involved. then go tell the four schools how much they are going to have to pony up on tickets compared to how much they're being paid, and lets see how that goes.
 
Bay Bud
go tell jerry jones you are going to have two games at his playground and only fill the stadium to half-capacity, and then ask him how much money he's willing to pay the four schools that are involved. then go tell the four schools how much they are going to have to pony up on tickets compared to how much they're being paid, and lets see how that goes.
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You have Jerry Jones number? I have an hour to kill before I go home.:ooh:
 
TV ratings would be off the charts for a national playoff BB, thus they can charge ATT and others more. I really think they will have little problem selling tickets. The bowl pageantry will still be there, with all of the major bowls meaning something. They can regionally seed the teams also. The main goal is to make the regular season mean something. There is a ton of money to be made here.
 
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