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IAG
May I ask why people are so anti anti depressant? . . .

Please fill me in on the thinking here. I am genuinely interested. Is it really the belief that the same thing can be achieved by other methods?
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For myself, yes, it is the belief that the same thing can be achieved by other methods. i.e. - just plain hard work. That's all I need. And the result is not just equivalent to pharmaceuticals, it is many times better.

I am not guessing. I have tried the pharmaceutical method too.

And it's not just me. Far from it. I have met MANY people with the same experience.



HOWEVER - I do not go on any kind of self-righteous crusade about this - largely because of Heather.

I've told this story before but just briefly:

I met Heather in the early 90's in addictions recovery meetings. AA. There were some people in those meetings who were self-righteous about not taking meds. They talked about it like it is cheating, like it is a relapse. It is odd because I have gone on to learn that so frikkin many people in recovery take anti-depressants - LOADS - but for whatever reason, they sometimes get drowned out by the self-righteous anti-drug people.

Long story short, Heather felt some pressure. She loved AA and was so grateful for the way her life had changed - and she didn't want to feel like she was cheating - so she stopped taking her anti-depressants ---> jumped from an 11th floor balcony.




The thing about the meds is, some people are just lazy and would rather take a pill than work. But some people have a genuine biochemical imbalance.

Not for me to judge.
 
I'm a firm believer in not taking prescription drugs. I don't even take tylenol for headaches or fevers or cold medication. I let my body fight it off to build the immune system. Never took antibiotics in my life. Never got any infections. If I'm depressed I get out of the house and take my motorcycle for a ride up in the mountains. You never see a motorcycle parked outside the shrink's office.
 
IAG
The side effects I guess for most(not Wellbutrin) are dampened libido/impotence but if you are depressed you really don't feel like having sex anyway. Another side effect is weight gain (Not Wellbutrin) but if you don't have the desire or energy to do anything but lay in bed all day, you will gain weight anyway.
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nah, the body doesnt really work that way... the stuff might give you cravings where you eat more or butcher your metabolism , but you gain weight by eating over your daily calorie maintenance ... which is easy to do with junk food for people who are depressed
 
Saulty
I'm a firm believer in not taking prescription drugs. I don't even take tylenol for headaches or fevers or cold medication. I let my body fight it off to build the immune system. Never took antibiotics in my life. Never got any infections. If I'm depressed I get out of the house and take my motorcycle for a ride up in the mountains. You never see a motorcycle parked outside the shrink's office.
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RayRay
nah, the body doesnt really work that way... the stuff might give you cravings where you eat more or butcher your metabolism , but you gain weight by eating over your daily calorie maintenance ... which is easy to do with junk food for people who are depressed
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I'm missing the argument here. Your weight/calorie maintenance number is determined by the amount of iinput vs.output... Someone who lays in bed all day eating the same as someone of equal height/weight (all other factors being equal) will more likely gain weight as someone who is out and about expending more energy.

Some depressed people eat more. Some are too depressed to eat.
 
Mudcat
The thing about the meds is, some people are just lazy and would rather take a pill than work. But some people have a genuine biochemical imbalance.

Not for me to judge.
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Agreed. I don't necessarily believe that when I was first prescribed an a/d that I needed it...but I did feel better. I think that in this situation that I'm in, that does not allow me to get out and do some of the things that may help, it is definitely beneficial. I could tell you on a day like this when I would normally be crumbling, I am dancing around to 80s German music.

I also believe there are people who have definite chemical imbalances...from birth.

In the case of your friend Heather, it is hard to know if it was the depression that caused her suicide or the abrupt discontinuation of the drugs which cause horrible things like that...ie, if she didn't properly taper off of them. In any case it's a sad story. Very. very. sad.

Obviously some of you have not had to deal with true episodes of clinical depresson. Be glad for that. I don't know the cause, or if it would have happened regardless of lifestyle changes, but I have had two episodes within the last year ....a kind of depression without specific cause, that I didn't even know existed. Zero fun.

It actually drove me to a therapist thinking it was far worse than it was..bi polar, bpd, something..I wanted a reason! She told me there was no way in hell I would have maintained a high level career as I did for 15 years if I had something seriously wrong with me, and that it was simply depression/anxiety compounded by the seclusion of caretaking.

She added another a/d to my current one which I stopped taking after 5 days due to side effects. Now that I'm back on the brand wellbutrin overall I feel good if I'm not pmsing.

Kind of went off there on a tangent. I believe for some people it is necessary. I agree over scripted. I think we are all in agreement pretty much here.
 
IAG
I'm missing the argument here. Your weight/calorie maintenance number is determined by the amount of iinput vs.output... Someone who lays in bed all day eating the same as someone of equal height/weight (all other factors being equal) will more likely gain weight as someone who is out and about expending more energy.

Some depressed people eat more. Some are too depressed to eat.
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your daily maintenance is determined by weight and age(because of metabolism)..in men, with normal heart rate and avg. metabolism, the standard is to take your (weight x 15) = your avg. daily calorie intake to maintain... if you subtract 500 from that, you will begin to lose weight without doing anything... for women, its about the same...there might be a slight difference, but you get the idea...

example...me = 162x15 = 2430 .. if i want to start losing around 1lb a week and sit at home, i can drop my calories to under 2000 and get it done with moderate to no moving around at all... right now im trying to gain, so im eating around 3000 cals a day...

the exception is taking a med (like a bad thyroid med) that slows heart rate and metabolism and does whatever the fuck that stuff does, you wont gain weight if you are eating less calories than your daily maintenance... you might lose any tone you had and muscles will diminish and move weight around, but you cant gain it.
 
RayRay
your daily maintenance is determined by weight..in men, with normal heart rate and avg. metabolism, the standard is to take your (weight x 15) = your avg. daily calorie intake to maintain... if you subtract 500 from that, you will begin to lose weight without doing anything... for women, its about the same...there might be a slight difference, but you get the idea...

example...me = 162x15 = 2430 .. if i want to start losing around 1lb a week and sit at home, i can drop my calories to under 2000 and get it done with moderate to no moving around at all... right now im trying to gain, so im eating around 3000 cals a day...

the exception is taking a med (like a bad thyroid med) that slows heart rate and metabolism and does whatever the fuck that stuff does, you wont gain weight if you are eating less calories than your daily maintenance... you might lose any tone you had and muscles will diminish and move weight around, but you cant gain it.
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Yeah. That's what I said. Note the "all other factors being equal" clause

Lol. Semantics. We both are saying the same thing.
All I was saying that people who won't take a/ds because they are worried about weight gain but eat all day and don't exercise and thus have a calorie SURPLUS, well, the weight gain argument is a little silly.
 
IAG
I'm missing the argument here. Your weight/calorie maintenance number is determined by the amount of iinput vs.output... Someone who lays in bed all day eating the same as someone of equal height/weight (all other factors being equal) will more likely gain weight as someone who is out and about expending more energy.

Some depressed people eat more. Some are too depressed to eat.
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oh yeah, i see where you were going :highfive:... ^^^this statement threw me off some too, is why i went my route... i still say nothing has really done what the hydroxycut has done for my metabolism...great product with solid caffeine boost, imo ...
 
RayRay
i dont remember any of the depression meds fucking with my appetite or weight, but man they sure had an effect on my old noodle :tears:
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I gained weight during the time I was on Cymbalta but hard to say cuz I was working in a pretty sedentary desk job. I have lost weight on the WB but have been going to the gym more. Although they do call WB the happy horny skinny pill, and Cymbalta is notorious for weight gain, so probably a little of both..

What route did you take RR? Tell me about your hydroxycut deal.
 
I thought everybody here liked drugs. :dunno:

Personally I've kind of look down on (recreational) drugies.
But honestly I don't know why anymore. Sure the pot heads are kinda lame, but after noticing the positive effects of vicodin etc. Im all for it. What a difference a pill can make in your mood.

What kind of hard work are you talking about Muddy?
 
IAG
I gained weight during the time I was on Cymbalta but hard to say cuz I was working in a pretty sedentary desk job. I have lost weight on the WB but have been going to the gym more. Although they do call WB the happy horny skinny pill, and Cymbalta is notorious for weight gain, so probably a little of both..

What route did you take RR? Tell me about your hydroxycut deal.
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oh i was talking about the calorie maint. posts and how to figure that stuff ..

hydroxycut seems to wake me up (caffeine) but has some other good stuff in it to give metabolisms a boost... fw took it for a while.. def. one of the better over the counter fat burners if used properly...very tasty too..mixes well with vodka :wah:
 
reno cool
I thought everybody here liked drugs. :dunno:

Personally I've kind of look down on (recreational) drugies.
But honestly I don't know why anymore. Sure the pot heads are kinda lame, but after noticing the positive effects of vicodin etc. Im all for it. What a difference a pill can make in your mood.

What kind of hard work are you talking about Muddy?
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before i did some coke and ate some ecstasy for the first time(20ish yrs ago), i was the same way... now that i know how many people do it, nothing really bothers me except for hardcore meth smokers and mainlining something...something about needles ...ugh
 
RayRay
oh i was talking about the calorie maint. posts and how to figure that stuff ..

hydroxycut seems to wake me up (caffeine) but has some other good stuff in it to give metabolisms a boost... fw took it for a while.. def. one of the better over the counter fat burners if used properly...very tasty too..mixes well with vodka :wah:
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What does it taste like? I remember xenadrine...the real stuff before the FDA banned it (I think that's what happened)...that was some good energy/fat burning/whatever.
 
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