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Jake Paul vs. Anthony Joshua - Dec. 19

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Matty
That's a plan, not a fix! Are you saying that fighters are supposed to go full throttle from the opening bell just because people put money on the fight?

By that logic, a marathon would be decided in just a few minutes, in an all-out sprint, with the last guy standing getting awarded gold, everyone else puking their guts out around the 1 kilometer mark.

Y'all are not understanding the sport at all. It's about planning and budgeting.
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Its a plan if you keep it to yourself. My point wasn't about the specific plan or this specific circumstance - it's about communicating your actual plan directly to your competitor and having a tacit agreement about how it "should" play out. How much collusion makes a joint plan vs. a fix? I dunno the answer.

Every bit of information shared between the sides make it come closer to an episode of a "reality" competition (with production controling the outcome) rather than a contest judged blindly.

Would you call it "fixed" if Paul and Joshua promised one another no tko or ko before the 4th because we need to "give the people a show" and thereafter "may the best man win." I would.

Did they collude here? I dunno I guess. Probably? Given that Joshua didnt destroy him (and then did the "i am unhappy with my performance..." schtick) and the knockout was clearly KO-lite i think the answer is pretty obvious.
 
Boner_18
Would you call it "fixed" if Paul and Joshua promised one another no tko or ko before the 4th because we need to "give the people a show" and thereafter "may the best man win." I would.
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Sure. That's not what happened though. Jake had a pretty smart plan for a guy who had no shot at winning. He made the best of a hopeless situation.
 
Matty
That's a plan, not a fix! Are you saying that fighters are supposed to go full throttle from the opening bell just because people put money on the fight?

By that logic, a marathon would be decided in just a few minutes, in an all-out sprint, with the last guy standing getting awarded gold, everyone else puking their guts out around the 1 kilometer mark.

Y'all are not understanding the sport at all. It's about planning and budgeting.
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Yeah bit of semantics arguing here, I think.

I agree that Bone Bones original example there was a plan/strategy if it was just one fighter deciding how to pace themselves. No different from certain horses being front runners or closers by design, etc.

I'm doing a bit for the sake of the "🦊" bit, don't think it was a full-blown choreography or anything.

I'm just saying I think there is a very decent chance that Paul said to AJ "hey, here's this kajillion dollar fight, all I ask is you go easy on me the first couple rounds".

Obviously it's entirely possible no such convo took place, Paul decided of his own accord to run this dance strategy, and AJ being the experienced patient boxer he is knew optimal strategy was to wait for his spot and did so.

But it also has to be a little possible that some type of handshake deal like this took place, no? Paul getting knocked out immediately would have been terrible business for him and was always a very real possibility (even with dance strategy in place) against an elite heavyweight.

AJ wouldn't agree to taking a fall or making himself look bad, but for a ton of money he might agree to not go for the kill early, no?

EDIT: Just saw Bone Bones second post, am in line with that one obviously haha.
 
Matty
Sure. That's not what happened though. Jake had a pretty smart plan for a guy who had no shot at winning. He made the best of a hopeless situation.
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The crux of this whole disagreement is how confident you are in this statement.

I'm an Occams Razor guy, so in a spot with two random fighters, I'm with you and laughing off "RIGGED!" banter.

But with an influencer turned prize fighter notorious for a public career of shenanigans, I can’t see how we are anywhere close to 100% that this was pure legitimacy top to bottom.
 
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