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Tron
Where are we at as far as deaths go?
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More than if there was no virus. Those newly infected still have a shot at death, its not like they are free and clear.

Whats going to happen if hospitals in the state become overwhelmed due to the huge increase in infections and cannot handle the patient load? I think more will die (Capt Obvious) What happens if doctors, nurses, police, other first responders are incapacitated due to contracting the virus? Will the deaths resulting from those circumstances be included in the total?

Deaths are just one of the problems here pal. I understand everyone wants to cite death numbers as a measure of success or failure but its not that simple. My point the entire time has been that its too eary to declare victory and will be until the bitter end.
A vaccine is needed or this will linger for a while. People don't need to die for this to cause havoc and create other problems and suffering.

Human suffering pal.
 
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plommer
More than if there was no virus. Those newly infected still have a shot at death, its not like they are free and clear.

Whats going to happen if hospitals in the state become overwhelmed due to the huge increase in infections and cannot handle the patient load? I think more will die (Capt Obvious) What happens if doctors, nurses, police, other first responders are incapacitated due to contracting the virus? Will the deaths resulting from those circumstances be included in the total?

Deaths are just one of the problems here pal. I understand everyone wants to cite death numbers as a measure of success or failure but its not that simple. My point the entire time has been that its too eary to declare victory and will be until the bitter end.
A vaccine is needed or this will linger for a while. People don't need to die for this to cause havoc and create other problems and suffering.

Human suffering pal.
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who’s declaring victory?

But if a lot of people are testing positive but very few people are dying (or ending up seriously ill in the hospital) who gives a fuck about how many people tested positive in Florida? Seriously, man.

I’m so sick of hearing about it every fucking day. Every news outlet has to name EVERY A, B, C, D, E list celebrity or athlete who tests positive. Why?

Fucking fear porn, man.
 
Tron
who’s declaring victory?

But if a lot of people are testing positive but very few people are dying (or ending up seriously ill in the hospital) who gives a fuck about how many people tested positive in Florida? Seriously, man.

I’m so sick of hearing about it every fucking day. Every news outlet has to name EVERY A, B, C, D, E list celebrity or athlete who tests positive. Why?

Fucking fear porn, man.
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Who's declaring victory? I dunno, I never specified anyone did, I meant doing so would be a mistake until Covid-19 is no longer a pandemic.
I'm saying the USA is doing a shit job compared to other 1st world nations when it comes to flattening the curve..

We aren't talking about the same thing. In order to better understand where I'm coming from just forget about deaths altogether.

Huge numbers of infected causes more problems to the country and our society as a whole, do we at least agree on that? Huge numbers of infected can't go to work, or take care of their kids/parents or contribute to society or keep the economy going.
Are 200k newly infected better than 5k new infections? Common pal.

Its important to keep new infections to a minimum. Deaths are not the measuring stick.

Oh and I hear you about the news. I try and avoid watching and rarely intentionally watch the news, especially US network news programs.

Tron, don't be daft.

PS: Tron, I never said you WERE daft,I said don't BE daft. I still consider you a pal, pal.
 
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actually the best thing would be the most cases and fewest hospitalizations/deaths.
 
reno cool
actually the best thing would be the most cases and fewest hospitalizations/deaths.
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Assuming "herd immunity" works, then yes, but huge amounts at once are overwhelming. What scientists are saying is that herd immunity may not be possible and seems unlikely according to current reports. They can't rule out that people can be infected more than once (some even saying multiple infections may be likely). This renders herd immunity ineffective.

Vaccination is our best chance.

Having said that, I live in a country that is doing as well as can be expected, Covid is a huge problem in the farming community just minutes from me though.
 
reno cool
the math that has EU countries showing higher death rate than the US?
Canada has a comparable death rate.
I'm curious what form did the mishandling take?
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Cases:
United States
2,916,842
per 1 million people 8,851
recovered 875,994
deaths 131,897

Canada:
105,536
per 1 million people 2,779
recovered 69,239
deaths 8,684

US population approx 10X Canada's. Even when you multiply Canadas numbers by 10 its still much better than US figures.

The "per 1 million people" number is staggeringly different.
 
herd immunity works. Speculation to the contrary is nonsense. There can be no vaccine without it.
Although there's a question for how long immunity lasts. Attempts at spreading this out over a longer period might even be counterproductive :hmm:
 
reno cool
herd immunity works. Speculation to the contrary is nonsense. There can be no vaccine without it.
Although there's a question for how long immunity lasts. Attempts at spreading this out over a longer period might even be counterproductive :hmm:
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I'm not speculating on it, I'm going by what scientific evidence points to right now. Agreed that the length of immunity is the issue.
If that were true then it would make sense to "rip the band-aid off quickly" and get this over with. My problem is that the information is constantly changing as are the opinions of the politicians and those studying the virus in laboratories.

Reno, thanks for not being ,daft, pal.

PS: Tron, no offense intended pal. You are definitely no longer daft.
 
plommer
Cases:
United States
2,916,842
per 1 million people 8,851
recovered 875,994
deaths 131,897

Canada:
105,536
per 1 million people 2,779
recovered 69,239
deaths 8,684

US population approx 10X Canada's. Even when you multiply Canadas numbers by 10 its still much better than US figures.

The "per 1 million people" number is staggeringly different.
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so you're saying Canada has a higher death rate than the US per case. You guys really mishandling things up there :mudcat:
 
reno cool
so you're saying Canada has a higher death rate than the US per case.
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I also said the number of deaths is not the only measure of success.

reno, I know you're just playing along, so no worries pal.

Statistically yes, Canada has a higher death rate compared to USA but these numbers don't tell the back story. Y'all have a much larger population of negroes, who are more susceptible to the virus.
I wonder how much the negro cases skew the numbers, if at all.

Most of those deaths are in the elderly, of which Canada has a high number of. Canada has more elderly per capita than the US - excluding those old Canadian fucks that spend 4 months a year during winter in the USA.

It likely correlates with this:
The U.S. has the lowest life expectancy at birth among comparable countries
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Another issue I forgot to mention was the fact that there is so much disagreement in the USA that relief seems to be a long way away.

For example, in Canada the strategy for better or worse is the same countrywide. Flatten the curve.
Those small population (mainly Atlantic) provinces that have done well (zero cases) have eased up on restrictions etc. The more populous provinces of Ontario and Quebec have tighter restrictions and will need to keep them in place for longer.

In America its each state on its own. Its a mishmash of strategies. I'm saying I believe it would be better to pick ONE strategy and enforce it nationwide.
Could be the Swedish model or the way most other nations are doing it but having Texas do its own thing while neighboring states are practising something else is just a clusterfuck.

America, please come to a consensus and follow through. People and the states need to stop fighting/being divisive and become "united" in order to resolve this situation.
(see what I did there?)
 
Boner_18
This thread is still a thing? Cmon guys. Fake news.
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This thread could die if there were some sports to watch and wager on instead. Its Sunday and the only thing I'm looking forward to is the end of the weekend. Can't wait to go to bed tonight and wake up Monday. Boner, tomorrow is garbage day here pal. I already have my trash bin out next to the road ready to be picked up by some hero sanitation technician.

I could use some NHL action.
 
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