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Guy is mid 40's and I've chatted briefly with him before at the local Tims.

Today we met up and got in to a long conversation, he has an interesting story.

First off he sounds very American when he speaks, has a thick Michigan accent. He is Canadian by birth.

Tells me he was born in Canada near Tillbury (not far from Windsor) and that his Canadian father moved his family to Michigan when he was 5 yrs old. He's lived in Michigan for 40 years and has a teenage son from a common law marriage, his kid was born in the USA.

Why is he in Canada? He was deported from the USA after serving a six year sentence for threatening his wife with a gun.

Sentenced to 6-15 years he served the minimum and US immigration sent his ass back to Canada, he told me he knows nothing about Canada and hasn't even visited here since he moved to the USA.

If he obtained US citizenship years ago they couldn't deport him. On the other hand if he had US citizenship he may still be serving the 6-15 year sentence.

Now that he's in his birth country he tells me how different it is here, and it was interesting to hear him speak.

There are plenty of similar stories about non citizens being deported. I met a guy years ago that was being deported from Canada after being convicted of robbing a bank. He was 30 yrs old and was brought by his parents to Canada as an infant from England, he grew up in Canada but wasn't a citizen so they deported him. He knew nothing about England except that he would end up there.

I've met alot of dual US/Canadian citizens in the area, Canadians marry Americans and their children are entitled to both US and Canadian citizenship. Immigration rules don't apply to dual US/Canadian citizens.

Border stories, more to come.
 
Friend of mine in Colombia moved to the US when he was still a baby. Never got citizenship, just a permanent resident. Got in trouble and went to jail for ~3-4 years in his 30's. Gave him the option of deportation or another 4 years in jail. Had never even vacationed back to Colombia.

Thats a pretty big shock. Canada is nothing, shit I was I someone would deport me to Canada.
 
Rito I am interested in these stories.

Canadian border guards will deny an American entry to Canada if they believe/suspect the person has a medical condition that requires immediate treatment.

Canadian hospitals are not set up like businesses - if you get brought to emergency the hospitals first concern is treating the patient not asking for payment/proof of insurance and there have been enough cases of American foreigners entering Canada with the intention of receiving medical treatment from a Canadian hospital (and burdening Canadian taxpayers) to warrant scrutiny by CBPS officers.
 
plommer
Rito I am interested in these stories.

Canadian border guards will deny an American entry to Canada if they believe/suspect the person has a medical condition that requires immediate treatment.

Canadian hospitals are not set up like businesses - if you get brought to emergency the hospitals first concern is treating the patient not asking for payment/proof of insurance and there have been enough cases of American foreigners entering Canada with the intention of receiving medical treatment from a Canadian hospital (and burdening Canadian taxpayers) to warrant scrutiny by CBPS officers.
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well that doesnt sound very nice.
 
plommer
Rito I am interested in these stories.

Canadian border guards will deny an American entry to Canada if they believe/suspect the person has a medical condition that requires immediate treatment.

Canadian hospitals are not set up like businesses - if you get brought to emergency the hospitals first concern is treating the patient not asking for payment/proof of insurance and there have been enough cases of American foreigners entering Canada with the intention of receiving medical treatment from a Canadian hospital (and burdening Canadian taxpayers) to warrant scrutiny by CBPS officers.
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Unless I'm missing something I'm pretty sure by law US hospitals have to stabilize the patient upon entry. If this happens in the US or not I have no idea. I'm pretty sure the taxpayer pays this burden aswell.
 
FreeFall
Unless I'm missing something I'm pretty sure by law US hospitals have to stabilize the patient upon entry. If this happens in the US or not I have no idea. I'm pretty sure the taxpayer pays this burden aswell.
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Hospitals in the USA are required to provide emergency care without requiring you to pay first (you will still get billed but lots of people just dont pay). This is why you see ER's full of poor people with conditions that probably just needed a reg dr visit at some point but these people don't have access to that kind of care. It's not paid by the government, it's paid by the hospital charging everybody excessively knowing that only some people are going to pay.
 
reno cool
well that doesnt sound very nice.
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Border agents on both side of the border can be pricks but the Americans take it to another level.

This isn't just my opinion I've talked to many Americans that agree that they too get hassled far more by US Customs and Immigration than by CBSA (Canada Border Services Agency).

I think many Canucks get somewhat annoyed/offended by the treatment they receive from US Immigration guys and gals.
(The assumption that we are up to no good and have ulterior motives for wanting to enter the US etc.)

I can tell you that most Canadians want to visit the US for a specific few reasons - the most common being day trips to shop and enjoy lower prices and more variety on consumer goods. Thats right, we wanna go to USA Wal-marts and K-Marts not pick fruit for slave wages in Florida - taking jobs away from Americans in the process, lol.

No offense but Canadians aren't looking to enter the US with the hopes of a better life like people do at the southern US border with Mexico.

Life in Canada is pretty sweet once you overcome the 11.5 months of freezing temps.
 
The urgent care clinics in NYC are awesome. I cut my finger on some glass recently and was given medical attention within 10 minutes of entering the office. 7 stitches and out the door in less than an hour. The doctor said she works at ER sometimes, and they would have made me wait for like 6 hours with a bag over my hand, and it would have cost 10x's the amount if I had gone there..

http://www.citymd.net/
 
rito
Hospitals in the USA are required to provide emergency care without requiring you to pay first (you will still get billed but lots of people just dont pay). This is why you see ER's full of poor people with conditions that probably just needed a reg dr visit at some point but these people don't have access to that kind of care. It's not paid by the government, it's paid by the hospital charging everybody excessively knowing that only some people are going to pay.
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So those that pay those bills pay for those that don't? There is no help from the Federal or State government?
 
plommer
No offense but Canadians aren't looking to enter the US with the hopes of a better life like people do at the southern US border with Mexico.
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Yeah but at the same time there are tons of people from developed countries that think the US is "cool" and want to live there. For example Polaroid left the UK for LA. :laugh: So they may not be economic migrants necessarily but before ICE it's the same shit. Lots of those coming from Canada too.
 
FreeFall
So those that pay those bills pay for those that don't? There is no help from the Federal or State government?
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Right. Gov't has programs for the poor like medicaid, but lots of people make enough that they don't qualify but not enough to afford private health insurance or they are otherwise unqualified (illegals). You see what going to the ER costs in this country? This is why. It shouldn't cost 2k for being seen by a doctor for 12 seconds.

There are charities that will help people with their medical bills. When I was getting some stuff done here before we lived here and I was paying cash, they kept sending me info for these assistance programs because they assumed someone without insurance would have trouble paying their bills. These werent ER visits though so I had to pay upfront anyway.

The healthcare system in this country is so fked up its absurd. I finally found a good doctor. Only way he can practice properly though is to accept no insurance at all. All cash. $380 an hour.
 
wow rito. As I grow up and start needing more medical assistance, well nothing really serious luckily, I'm finding out how fucked it is. Let's hope I can avoid my time there because right now I'm not insured. The transparency through the entire process is HORID and then you leave with no way of comparing your service to a price or quality.
 
RogueJuror
Yeah but at the same time there are tons of people from developed countries that think the US is "cool" and want to live there. For example Polaroid left the UK for LA. :laugh: So they may not be economic migrants necessarily but before ICE it's the same shit. Lots of those coming from Canada too.
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The US is considered a cool place to visit for a large number of Canucks as well.

(I've met plenty of rich Saskatchewanians that own property in Arizona and Canadians own over 500,000 of the houses in Florida.)

Lots of Canadians live in the US legally for long periods time, particularly in Florida/Arizona/California during the winter months.

Canadians don't need visas to enter the US and can stay for up to 6 months. Same goes for Americans in Canada.

What I'm saying is that it's unlikely a Canuck is going to trade life in Canada for life in the USA - A Canadian will get the best of both countries by returning home.
 
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