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I tend to agree, but there are quite alot of Americans that won't allow stats to influence their beliefs regarding crime and punishment.




Sounds like you are saying dead niggers shouldn't be included in homicide stats.
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Actually I'm not saying that at all.


But what I am saying is that if you eliminate black on black homicides in the USA, the homicide rate per 100,000 people in the US would plummet dramatically.


Take away whatever you want from that statement but it's entirely factual.
 
Daft
Actually I'm not saying that at all.


But what I am saying is that if you eliminate black on black homicides in the USA, the homicide rate per 100,000 people in the US would plummet dramatically.


Take away whatever you want from that statement but it's entirely factual.
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If you believe this website, about 40% of all homicides are black-on-black.

5 * 0.6 = 3

That's still 5 times higher than the figure Pavy quoted for Norway.
 
Daft
Actually I'm not saying that at all.


But what I am saying is that if you eliminate black on black homicides in the USA, the homicide rate per 100,000 people in the US would plummet dramatically.


Take away whatever you want from that statement but it's entirely factual.
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It would still be higher than most other countries.

While on vacation I've had friendly discussions with Americans about this topic (and taxation) more than a few times over the years.

It is my personal opinion that the US is a fabulous place for those that earn good wages or are wealthy but seems like a horrible place for the poor and those in need of assistance. Americans seem to have it in their head that getting help from the government is a terrible thing and only scum would dare accept a handout (not including corporate welfare of course).

I believe that Canada with higher taxes and generous social programs avoids creating the desperation I've seen in poor parts of the USA.

Their is a cost associated with lower taxes, in terms of social conscience.

I also understand that Americans distrust of their governement to spend taxes wisely has alot to do with their disdain of the tax man.
 
Matty
If you believe this website, about 40% of all homicides are black-on-black.

5 * 0.6 = 3

That's still 5 times higher than the figure Pavy quoted for Norway.
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Fair enough. But like I said, eliminating 40% of all homicides in the USA would make the homicide rate per 100,000 plummet.

Also (without doing any research because I'm more lazy than normal today), I would imagine that Norway would be near the top of the list for countries with the least amount of homicides per 100,000.
 
The US and Norway are very different - Norway is a socialist paradise with cradle to grave assistance programs (and much higher taxes) for their citizens.

THe US prides itself on innovation, personal freedoms, and creating wealth (capitalism).

How is it that the richest nation (with the most billionaires) on the planet is so far in debt and the socialist countries seem to have their houses in order?
 
Plommer, since Canada is so generous maybe we can ship all the illegals up north to you guys? Lots of Americans will take a handout but when you got peoples that haven't put anything back into the system looking for handouts, a problem will arise! I'm all for people starting a new life but get a job, any kind of job!

Plommer, you personally could get involved by maybe gathering some of your bus driving buddies to come down and drive up some of these people to Canada! How many does a bus hold?
 
MrMonkey
Plommer, since Canada is so generous maybe we can ship all the illegals up north to you guys?

Plommer, you personally could get involved by maybe gathering some of your bus driving buddies to come down and drive up some of these people to Canada! How many does a bus hold?
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Mr. Monkey, Canada is for Canadians pal.

Besides, it would be impossible to convince an American that there may be a better place to live than the good ol USA.

The buses would be empty.

Common.
 
Daft
How would you recommend the US go about deterring crime?
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America seems to have an endless supply of money when it comes to the military but is against socialized healthcare for its citizens.

Perhaps America could learn something from countries with low crime rates about deterrent and punishment.

It appears as though the justice system is big business and makes certain people very rich in the US, what motivation is there for them to change?

Daft, the system in the US isn't working well, it serves a few, the stats confirm this - if you are willing to accept them.

Politicians would have you believe that it ain't broken but clearly the US is far behind most countries in terms of crime. Something should be changed to improve the state of things.
 
Daft
How would you recommend the US go about deterring crime?
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Change the gun laws. More guns does not mean more safety. Lower the unemployment rate by keeping jobs in the US instead of sending them to China. Teach people that a toy made in the US that costs $20 is as good as a toy made in China that costs $10. When people have jobs they are too busy to commit crime. Give the citizens something back for taking their hard earn money with taxes. Give back to the communities.
 
Daft
I'm confused. Are you implying that if we change the gun laws and guns are harder to get that criminals (more specifically those that commit homicides) will not be able to acquire guns?
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Most crimes with guns are committed by people with clean criminal records before they commit their first and many times last crime using readily available guns. Here in Georgia you can buy a gun faster than you can buy an airline ticket. No checks. Nothing.
 
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