Happy 81st Birthday Willie Mays

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And anyone that brings Barry Bonds into the conversation shouldn't be allowed to speak.

The guy had his best years in his 16th and 17th years in the league. LOLROIDS.
 
MonkeyF0cker
And anyone that brings Barry Bonds into the conversation shouldn't be allowed to speak.

The guy had his best years in his 16th and 17th years in the league. LOLROIDS.
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Don't. It makes you sound dumb and you're not.

Barry Bonds did steroids and so did most (if not 90%) of his competition. Or do you think his competition was not doing steroids?

Were Ted Williams' competitors using steroids?
 
MonkeyF0cker
Uhh. LOL. Maybe you don't know what OPS stands for. Great point. Let's take a look at OPS.

Career OPS:

Willie Mays: .941
Barry Bonds: 1.051
Ted Williams: 1.116
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Yes but were not discussing who the greatest offensive player of all time was.

I know what OPS stands for.

Why does everything turn into a middle school pissing contest with you?

Can you have a discussion without every other word being LOL and name calling?
 
Daft
Don't. It makes you sound dumb and you're not.

Barry Bonds did steroids and so did most (if not 90%) of his competition. Or do you seriously think his competition was not doing steroids?

Were Ted Williams' competitors using steroids?
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OMG. You can't be serious.

You're saying that EVERY player in the MLB was using steroids when Bonds was playing? Jesus Christ.

If you can't understand that something is awry when Bonds' best years were in his 16th and 17th years, it's an absolute lost cause.
 
Daft
Yes but were not discussing who the greatest offensive player of all time was.

I know what OPS stands for.

Why does everything turn into a middle school pissing contest with you?

Can you have a discussion without every other word being LOL and name calling?
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You're the one that brought up OPS. It's funny to me that you did when Williams blows them both out of the water.
 
MonkeyF0cker
OMG. You can't be serious.

You're saying that EVERY player in the MLB was using steroids when Bonds was playing? Jesus Christ.

If you can't understand that something is awry when Bonds' best years were in his 16th and 17th years, it's an absolute lost cause.
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No. I didn't say every player.
 
Steroids did a lot more for hitters than it did for pitchers even disregarding the fact that not everyone used steroids. If you don't understand that either, look at every other slugger in that era. Sammy Sosa? Seriously?

It's ridiculous argument.
 
What does Roger Clemens career line look like without the PED's?

The problem with this discussion (and all greatest player of all time discussions before this one) is we're comparing different players from (very) different eras.
 
14.5
25
11
10.2
10.66666667
11.6
8.375
4.818181818
4.2
4
3.1
4.5
2.409090909
2.571428571
3.12
2.5
3.06122449
3.425
3.6
7.285714286


Here are Sosa's plate appearances between HR's by year. Anything look off?
 
Here are Bonds:

7.0625
6
6
8.368421053
4.575757576
6.12
4.117647059
3.456521739
3.027027027
4.363636364
3.761904762
3.975
4.216216216
3
2.918367347
2.095890411
3.108695652
2.888888889
3.266666667
2.8
5
4.5
 
Bonds AB/HR

25.8125
22.04
22.41666667
30.52631579
15.72727273
20.4
13.91176471
11.7173913
10.56756757
15.33333333
12.30952381
13.3
14.91891892
10.44117647
9.795918367
6.520547945
8.760869565
8.666666667
8.288888889
8.4
14.11538462
12.14285714
 
McGwire AB/HR

17.66666667
11.36734694
17.1875
14.84848485
13.41025641
21.95454545
11.11904762
9.333333333
15
8.128205128
8.134615385
9.310344828
10.76470588
7.25
7.271428571
8.015384615
7.375
10.31034483
 
Sosa AB/HR

84
33
35.46666667
38.66666667
31.6
0
32.75
18.12121212
17.04
15.66666667
12.45
17.83333333
9.742424242
9.920634921
12.08
9.015625
11.34693878
12.925
0
13.65714286
27.14285714
0
19.61904762
 
do Brady Anderson and Luis Gonzalez!
 
Now let's look at Mantle:

26.23076923
23.86956522
21.95238095
20.11111111
13.97297297
10.25
13.94117647
12.35714286
17.4516129
13.175
9.518518519
12.56666667
11.46666667
13.28571429
19
14.47826087
20
24.16666667
 
Hank Aaron:

36
22.2962963
23.42307692
13.97727273
20.03333333
16.12820513
14.75
17.73529412
13.15555556
14.34090909
23.75
17.8125
13.70454545
15.38461538
20.89655172
12.43181818
13.57894737
10.53191489
13.20588235
9.8
17
38.75
27.1
 
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