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reno cool

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I graduated top of my class on how not to be a tool of the burgoise propaganda machine, brother Plomm. :hattip:
 

reno cool

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brother Knut says that the virus mutated in Spain primarily due to the mitigation methods (lockdown). What we have now is Covid20. 19 hasn't been around since summer.
 

reno cool

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I'm sorry Prof. Wittkowski can't compete with your CNN talking heads brother Dave :rolleyes:
 

Archie

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fuk

so is the vaccine for covid 19, covid 20, all covids, or forcing us into submission?
 

Vegas Dave

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I'm sorry Prof. Wittkowski can't compete with your CNN talking heads brother Dave :rolleyes:
Don't watch CNN and you are changing the subject on a fucking technicality (original post inferred you meant "it" as in the disease would be gone, now you've just switched it up to "this strain".

:rolleyes: indeed.
 

Boner_18

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Is the argument here that the virus is NOT essentially defeated by spring in the US?

I realize reno is a psychopath (and the statement "gone" and "without a vaccine" are bat shit)... but this thing is basically over, or at least up by 4 runs in the top of the 8th by April.
 

reno cool

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Don't watch CNN and you are changing the subject on a fucking technicality (original post inferred you meant "it" as in the disease would be gone, now you've just switched it up to "this strain".

:rolleyes: indeed.
:what: I'm not trying to say that. That's just new information that may explain things.
Cases can't go up indefinitely. I predicted 2 weeks ago that cases would flatten by now, and I believe we're seeing that.
I would still be surprised if they can keep this thing going by Spring.
Why don't you do some research like I have, or at least watch the vid. Instead of trying to discredit me with lame appeals to popular acceptable stupidities
 

Vegas Dave

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:what: I'm not trying to say that. That's just new information that may explain things.
Cases can't go up indefinitely. I predicted 2 weeks ago that cases would flatten by now, and I believe we're seeing that.
I would still be surprised if they can keep this thing going by Spring.
Why don't you do some research like I have, or at least watch the vid. Instead of trying to discredit me with lame appeals to popular acceptable stupidities
"I would still be surprised if they can keep this thing going by Spring." - Who is THEY?

"Cases can't go up indefinitely. I predicted 2 weeks ago that cases would flatten by now, and I believe we're seeing that." - So it's flattened out to 175K NEW CASES A DAY. So far we have seen two flat spells (25-30K new cases per day, then 50-70K) followed by two big spikes. Let's say we are in the third flat spell now. You tell me to do research? What the fuck research are you finding that suggests we could possibly fall to zero by spring with no vaccine?


Research from CDC, FDA, MedRxiv, Nature, Oxford Academic, WHO all points to this thing just getting started.

Please link me to anyone with credibility that suggests it will just go away on its own. Literally anyone. If Dr. Knut here says so in this video, please give me the time stamp.

If you want to just make up theories and believe whatever the fuck you want to believe that's fine. But don't try to pass it off like you are more well-researched or enlightened than the rest of us. Reality doesn't bend to your whims.
 

plommer

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Brother Peter doesn't buy any of this medical mumbo jumbo either!
This video made me lol for quite a while. What a great example of how some of the whack jobs in America think.

I've seen people bragging how they just bet trump to win the election at +3300. They're serious too.
 

reno cool

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My estimate of it being over soon has mostly to do with the fact that we have a finite population. You cant have 400 mil cases in America.
You understand that don't you? :rolleyes:
We have the estimate of unreported cases being 5-10X confirmed.
Also if you consider the .28% death rate estimated by cdc, you can extrapolate from there.
Don't be a dumbass Dave

Now if you have mutation that resists immunity, due to the unnatural mitigation effects, perhaps that can change.
 

Boner_18

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How does reducing spread cause mutation? In virology isn't mutation a function of incidence?
 

Vegas Dave

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My estimate of it being over soon has mostly to do with the fact that we have a finite population. You cant have 400 mil cases in America.
You understand that don't you? :rolleyes:
We have the estimate of unreported cases being 5-10X confirmed.
Also if you consider the .28% death rate estimated by cdc, you can extrapolate from there.
Don't be a dumbass Dave

Now if you have mutation that resists immunity, due to the unnatural mitigation effects, perhaps that can change.
Do you mean growth will stop? That's a very different argument than "it will be over".

What the fuck does death rate have to do with the disease being eradicated?

Again, eradication due to herd immunity would take YEARS, not months.

You tell me not to be a dumbass and yet You. Can't. Cite. One. Single. Source. To. Back. Up. Your. Claims.
 

reno cool

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How does reducing spread cause mutation? In virology isn't mutation a function of incidence?
Increasing the time it takes for a virus to work through the population gives it more chance to mutate.
I raised this question before. But my concern was that immunity wanes, as some have indicated. Now it seems that the issue is not the host losing antibodies, but virus mutation. According to Knut, if we keep going with mitigation it's possible to keep some form of the "pandemic" going indefinitely.
 

reno cool

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Do you mean growth will stop? That's a very different argument than "it will be over".

What the fuck does death rate have to do with the disease being eradicated?

Again, eradication due to herd immunity would take YEARS, not months.

You tell me not to be a dumbass and yet You. Can't. Cite. One. Single. Source. To. Back. Up. Your. Claims.
:facepalm unreal. It speaks to how many people have been infected.. And therefore, how close we are to herd immunity.
If we already have as they claim 250k dead, we can estimate that at least 85 million have come in contact (using .28) ...that implies maybe 7x reported number
If the virus is spreading at the rate claimed, there's no way it can maintain that pace (over a million a day) for long. This is why I guess it will be mostly over by Spring. I didn't say eradicated.
The only way this does not happen is
1. if cases drop dramatically now, before immunity is reached (due to some effect of mitigation perhaps) and come back later
2. mutation helped by mitigation, as discussed earlier. (which would also make vaccine ineffective)
3. The numbers they are feeding us are bogus to begin with.
 

Vegas Dave

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:facepalm unreal. It speaks to how many people have been infected.. And therefore, how close we are to herd immunity.
If we already have as they claim 250k dead, we can estimate that at least 85 million have come in contact (using .28) ...that implies maybe 7x reported number
If the virus is spreading at the rate claimed, there's no way it can maintain that pace (over a million a day) for long. This is why I guess it will be mostly over by Spring. I didn't say eradicated.
The only way this does not happen is
1. if cases drop dramatically now, before immunity is reached (due to some effect of mitigation perhaps) and come back later
2. mutation helped by mitigation, as discussed earlier. (which would also make vaccine ineffective)
3. The numbers they are feeding us are bogus to begin with.
One source reno. One source.

I've asked three times now.

Is this just your theory? That's fine. It is flying in the face of everything being reported by scientific and health communities, but you don't believe them anyway, so that's fine.

But then you say...
Why don't you do some research like I have, or at least watch the vid. Instead of trying to discredit me with lame appeals to popular acceptable stupidities
Don't be a dumbass Dave

So please help me do my research. Who, besides you, is making these claims?
 

Archie

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the super freedom non mask wearing areas like South Dakota, North Dakota, Iowa have been getting slammed

but they have reached a peak and are slowly coming down. So there is hope for sure that, no matter what, things will start getting better for everyone in a month. Well maybe not the Northeast, they are just starting their 3rd wave.